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I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby VeganOverTheRainbow » May 7, 2010 7:45 pm

No religion bashing, please.

I am vegan because I am Christian. In the beginning in the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were vegan. There was no death, so how could they eat animals? There wasn't pain, so how could they even inflict any of today's animal cruelty horrors?

Something I hate is when people tell me, "God made animals for us to eat them." No, he didn't. He didn't even give us permission to eat them until after the flood. I can see reasoning to why He would allow it then, though. With the earth being flooded with water for so long and everything being wiped out, it probably wouldn't be possible to just go right out and farm food.

Now, we have absolutely no need to eat animals. We weren't designed to eat flesh. Even if we were, I do not believe He would want animals to have pain. They're still His creations.

Jesus said to be kind and stick up for the weak, right? Not to inflict horrible pain on them.

Any other Christians with this view?

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby chenli » May 16, 2010 10:42 am

Sorry, but basing your beliefs on something that is so contradictory and untrue isn't a good way to live your life. You should think for yourself and not base your opinions and beliefs on an old book written centuries ago to explain things people didn't understand then.

Simply put, the bible can be interpreted so many ways, there's no point basing your life on something that isn't proper evidence.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby dlwilson007 » Jun 8, 2010 8:49 pm

You bet! My wife and I have been far down this path (through many different scriptures that people try to point out that say it's "ok" to eat meat). Basically, we believe that the Bible does not condemn eating meat, but that we were created to be vegan. And God certainly would condemn what is happening in the meat and dairy industries! So since we have such a vast array of alternatives to eating meat, then why in the world would we even consider putting an animal through the pain of death?

If you want to see more of what we believe on the topic, visit my wife's site here: www.beavoiceforthevoiceless.com.

Oh...and by the way, after the flood, God didn't give us permission to eat meat right away. The Hebrew is actually saying that Noah and his family could eat reptile eggs. After all that flooding, it would be some time before they would have been able to find food or grow crops again. But if they had been allowed to eat animals, then the animals could not procreate and repopulate. I believe the source for that is on allcreatures.org, but I don't have the reference with me at the moment.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Violet » Jun 29, 2010 1:56 am

Yeah, Im a christian. I know that God's ideal diet IS vegetarian........ Ill have to look up some verses for you so I can back myself up here. But yeah, I know recently that God has been talkin to me about becomin(well a month ago now, since this point in time) a vegan. He allowed me to watch a clip on animals at the slaughterhouse WHICH was enough for me to change my mind and change for his creation. Later I asked him a question and this is what i got
"Do you think i do not care about ALL of my creation?" THAT is ALL creation.
However I have heard before that a few non christian vegans bash up the bible because APPARENTLY is tells us animals have no souls? IF that where true, could you please give me REFERENCES and chapters on WHERE it states this in the bible, thanks......

God bless you all
Violet :cheers:

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby nikeshox01 » Oct 29, 2010 3:56 am

Thank you

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby AdamD » Nov 1, 2010 1:04 pm

The way you eat and live your life is up to you however attributing your lifestyle to the bible is... not ignorant but more misguided.

An integral part of Christianity is taking into the body the flesh and blood of Christ (Holy communion). Now although this is largely symbolic it is representative of the bibles stance on meat eating. The bible does not explicitly support or condemn it so I don't see how your Christian faith has somehow directed you to Veganism.

Although I do understand that the bible teaches tolerance and empathy which can be can be interpretted to apply to animals, it's not really a primary message :)

Anyway, good for you for making a life change though :)

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby jessica23 » Nov 30, 2010 6:21 am

I believe that God prefers humans not to eat meat but at the same time he also doesn't condemn them. Eating whatever you want is your choice. Being a vegan is our choice. We may all have different reasons and views for being a vegan but making Religion an issue is I think not appropriate.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby philosopher » Mar 8, 2011 3:16 am

I also think that the Bible does not condemn nor condone eating meat, it is a personal decision. I do find it interesting however, that many great thinkers throughout history chose to abstain from animal flesh :)

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby AdamD » Mar 9, 2011 1:58 pm

Sure, buy many more chose to eat meat. What's your point?



(Although I do agree a lot with the top of your post)

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby jayanixg » Mar 9, 2011 2:19 pm

there's nothing wrong by having a Christian being a vegetarian. The Holy bible really does not order all of us to eat meat. There is nothing wrong with abstaining from eating meat. What the Bible does point out is that we ought to not push our beliefs regarding this issue about others or judge them simply by what they eat or perhaps tend not to eat. Romans 14:2-3 lets us know, “One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.” :D

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby ForeverFaithful » May 24, 2011 10:38 pm

Christian Vegan myself!! I'm so tired of all the crap I put up with from other Vegans, am I less of Vegan for having religion? By that logic Veganism would become an elitist group, we need to emphasis more tolerance and less bashing.

It's clear that Vegetarianism is a theme in the bible, such as the Israelites eating nothing but mana or Daniel choosing to be Vegetarian, Paul speaks out against not eating meat BECAUSE it was sacrificed to idols and Moses says some animals are worse then others, neither of these are imperatives, but again people who eat meat shouldn't be shunned.

Christian vegetarians had a strong place in early Christianity James the Just(Brother of Christ) is cited as a Veg along with other apostles, Saint Clement of Alexandria is a vocal Christian vegetarian, however under the Romans, vegetarianism become less popular, likely why Paul spoke about not forcing dietary rules on Christians as it would shun others from Christ. Francis of Assisi was a vegetarian and started on of the largest monastic orders in Christianity the Franciscans who are required to give up meat.

So an arguments against Christianity tend to be more personal then anything. People often equate Christianity with Texas and the Bible Belt where red meat is culture. This is ironic because Christianity is become increasingly strong in non-white areas of the world, such as Asia, Africa and South America, and Fundamental Evangelical Christianity is a very small, often monocultural representation of Christianity

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Casty » Jun 3, 2011 3:25 am

I am Christian, however I see no sin in eating meat. Namely because Jesus ate meat. Now since Jesus committed no sin and ate meat, eating meat is not a sin. Simple as that. And Foreverfaithful, in addition to manna the Israelites also ate quail which god sent them.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby john777 » Jul 4, 2011 6:55 pm

Bash all you want but I am convinced God brought me to the point where I dont eat meat. Nobody was there to guide me, just a feeling deep inside that eating meat is wrong. I dont believe it was always sinful but the way we do it today is detestable and morally reprehensible. The suffering the animals endure is sickening and cannot be condoned by God.
I am not a pacifist and I spend most of my life in the police force and I have no problem with using force when there is no option but surely we cannot be cruel to other living creatures as human beings when there are other options available.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Greengreenhome » Aug 13, 2011 11:09 am

Hi all
Surprising ....This topic catch my attention , i not read the contents. I thought only buddisme encourage no kill no meat...be compassion etc ...as i remember a Christian friend said animal is gift from god for us to eat ...& she can't imagine just live on veg.....

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby wude » Aug 13, 2011 5:51 pm

VeganOverTheRainbow wrote:No religion bashing, please.



If you don't wish to be criticized over being a christian, then may I suggest, that in the future, you don't mention it. Posters, replying to your statements, have the right to cross-examine them.
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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby AdamD » Aug 28, 2011 3:13 pm

I agree with some of the thoughts of the above poster.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Trinity73x » Sep 18, 2011 11:19 pm

i think so long as someone respects the religious point of view you are coming from they should have no reason to argue with you. unfortunately i feel like people will poke fun at you just for the religion. i was very religious for a long time and people were constantly arguing with me. it can be really frustrating. although my faith has wavered in the last few years i still am really appreciative and thankful for people like you. what a wonderful way to view life on earth. how amazing would it be to live in the garden of eden where there is no death or pain? now that we do not have to rely on meat to survive, why not be vegan and reduce the suffering of animals? i think that whether god put them here or not, they do not deserve to be treated the way we are treating them. still, your view is unique to me. i have not heard someone make an argument quite like this one before. i think that its great. no matter what people say to discourage you, just keep on believing what you believe and acting in accordance. your strength and compassion will inspire others.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Kramer » Nov 14, 2011 9:32 am

It's got nothing to do with religion 8)

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby veganpizzaplace » Dec 8, 2011 3:11 pm

In the Garden of Eden, God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food." Gen 1.29

To remember Jesus, we are to eat bread and wine.

Those are vegan.

I would say that the ideal diet is vegan, but because mankind has fallen, etc. it is not an imperative for Christians, like non-violence (ahimsa) is in Jainism, Buddhism, and (to a lesser extent) Hinduism.

So I think it is absolutely consistent for you to be vegan because of your Christianity. But it is not an imperative part of Christianity, unlike in the Indian-origin religions.

Also, to respond to the anti-religionists, veganism was often inspired by intense spiritual desires and religious convictions, be they Christian, Theosophical, or what have you. The idea of absolute right and wrong (not relative), of all living beings being connected, of every living thing have a soul, of absolute mercy, of selflessness, of non-violence, of compassion. I think these should be respected, even if you strongly agree with religion or other metaphysics.

Very often, in fact, people who are hostile to religion actually hold these (originally religious) ideas as the standard by which they criticise religion, which they rightly see as being hypocritical. So ironically, they criticise Christians for not being Christian enough! Or even God for not being Christian enough!

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby compassione » Mar 26, 2012 9:37 pm

I also wanted to add, that those Christians who really want to believe that G-d sees nothing wrong with the unnatural breeding, torture, murder and slaughter of animals, they are still in the dark. Very dark... I can show you passage after passage where it is clear He does not want us to eat animals - we are not to use or abuse any living thing. The Bible has been misunderstood and misinterpretted. In no way should we take Jesus' sacrifice and communion as purely symbolic, but for animals, it is literally carnal and approved for a blood bath. If you're sincere in wanting to know His will and His truth, pray first for a sincere heart, eyes to see and ears to hear - then for revelation of the scriptures and ask Him to reveal what these mean - He will lead you to ALL truth.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby compassione » Mar 26, 2012 9:54 pm

Those who state that Christ ate meat - the Bible does not state that Jesus ate the lamb or Jesus ate the fish. If you read carefully, all words being precise (read the original Hebrew and Greek) you will find that although it's inferred Jesus is helping fishermen catch fish, Christ Himself does not eat them. I don't believe in filling in the gaps so that my feeble mind better understands G-d. Example: We assume what is not written because of other 'proven' things we find in so called history. What I do know, is that G-d is particular about his Word and the meaning and only those who have eyes and ears and His heart can understand. I believe the Bible is the inner process of what happens to each of us when it is our time. I will not take a position in it's literal sense (by the worlds definition of literal) or historical. These to me do not matter. The Word was before the foundation of the world and it's ALWAYS been true and always will be. This is where faith fills in gaps - where we lack understanding, not where things seem logical. There is a huge difference - faith being by His Spirit while logic being by our very limited minds, which the Bible states is the darkness and can never comprehend the light.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby dragonfly » Mar 30, 2012 12:26 am

yes, one should arrive at veganism independent of religious dogma and pagan voodoo rituals.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5hA3PN0uic

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Robinsongreat » Apr 5, 2012 8:13 am

Eating meat IS a sin. The truth is that Jesus didn't eat meat, though many think he did. Many Biblical scholars believe Jesus was a member of the Nazarene Essenes, a Jewish religious sect that followed a vegetarian diet and rejected animal sacrifices. If you are a Christian, then you would be happy to know that there are lots of quotes in the Bible that support vegetarianism, but saying that you are a vegetarian because you are a Christian is ridiculous.
Lots of quotes in the Bible say that God likes animal sacrifice. Lots of quotes in the Bible makes no sense. Lots of things in the Bible are so cruel that I can't even imagine who on earth wrote such things and laws.
Matthew 23:9 says that we should not call anyone "Father". So, what do you call your church Padres? What do you call your dad?

Whoever calls his brother a worthless fool will be in danger of going to the fire of hell. (said by Jesus)
Matthew 5:22
Blind fools! (said by Jesus)
Matthew 23:17

I don't think Jesus would contradict himself.

Fools! (said by Jesus)
Luke 11:40
You foolish Galatians! (said by St. Paul)
Galatians 3:1

I can't even imagine Jesus Christ, someone who taught about kindness and compassion, scolding someone by calling names.

There are lots of self-contradictions in the Bible.
Deuteronomy 5:17 says- Do not commit murder.
But...
Deuteronomy 13:9 says- Kill him.

Which one should we obey?
I don't see any logic nor any meaning. If you read the Bible carefully, you will find hundreds of such sentences that make no sense.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby hashores » Apr 20, 2012 1:21 pm

I don't think the sin is in eating meat. I think the sin would be the process in which we obtain our meat. In a perfect world a cow would grow up on a cared for farm with plenty of healthy things to eat and be put to death humanely. Being grateful to the animal and to God for the gift it provided us. In our world, most animals are transported to slaughter in awful conditions, many arriving sick and are tortured before slaughter and when we have eaten our fill of their bodies, we just throw the rest of the way, to me, that's the part that's a sin.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Robinsongreat » Apr 23, 2012 5:45 am

hashores wrote:I don't think the sin is in eating meat. I think the sin would be the process in which we obtain our meat. In a perfect world a cow would grow up on a cared for farm with plenty of healthy things to eat and be put to death humanely. Being grateful to the animal and to God for the gift it provided us. In our world, most animals are transported to slaughter in awful conditions, many arriving sick and are tortured before slaughter and when we have eaten our fill of their bodies, we just throw the rest of the way, to me, that's the part that's a sin.


Such foolish talk. It seems you have no knowledge of what is sin and what is not.
Killing is always cruel. It does not matter how it is done.
If the animal is killed in a brutal way, the butcher will receive a greater sin. That is correct.
But the sin the eater of the animal will receive has got nothing to do with how the animal was killed.
Even if the animal was killed humanely, he will receive the same amount of sin. Even if the animal was killed brutally, he will receive the same amount of sin. Because he is eating it. Killing is completely in the hands of the butcher.
The Hindu Scriptures strongly support that killing animals is a great sin, and people who do will be punished after or before death.
All the scriptures support vegetarianism, not because slaughterhouses are cruel, but because we are not supposed to kill animals to eat them.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby JesusFreak » Aug 12, 2012 10:16 pm

Me Too! I just created a website to help educate other Christians who don't understand why I am vegan (including health devotionals).
Google tashalee.org and you should find it and/or my facebook page.
i hope it can be helpful to you and those you know, and please let me know if you have any suggestions of content to edit/add...
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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby JesusFreak » Sep 25, 2012 6:41 pm

Today's blog post from my tashalee.org (search for that and you should find it) health blog...hope you come visit! love, Tash

Raw Vegan Christian
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. ~2 Corinthians 9:7

Early in my transition to a plant-based raw food diet, the majority of my struggles were emotional. I frequently had feelings of self-pity that God was calling me to eat this way. I often felt jealous of other Christians that felt no conviction regarding healthy eating. I had deep feelings of loneliness because such a major life transition was very difficult, and I desperately wanted to have other Christian journeying companions--yet to be a "raw vegan Christian" at the time, even on the internet, seemed almost unheard of--much less, a high-fruit/low-fat raw vegan Christian.

I recall one year that was extremely difficult. We were a part of a wonderful house church. We loved the teaching and the members. At the beginning of our involvement, a meal was served beforehand, ended quickly, and teaching began. I focused on loving others and engaging in conversation, and before I knew it, it was time for "content time". As the year progressed, however, the meal became longer and longer, and it became increasingly difficult for me to deal with, emotionally. Although I stayed true to my convictions at house church, the following days I had severe struggles with self-pity and loneliness. When we moved, we were sad to leave our wonderful house church...yet for me, it was a HUGE relief.

God gave me a wonderful gift in our move. Not only was my hubby very supportive of my eating convictions (he was quite impressed with the changes in my health) and had become a vegan himself, but God gave me a Christian friend who lived in my area and was also a high-fruit/low-fat raw vegan. It blessed me beyond belief to be at Christian fellowships with someone who also refrained from eating the food that was being served. It was an indescribable gift and treasure for me. Through the long, difficult year, God had really grown me in learning to walk with Him in those "alone" times and get my eyes on Him and His suffering when I am feeling self-pity. But now, He had led me into a time of refreshing fellowship. I was grateful for the growth through the hard time, but....no doubt, I was sooo happy to be in a new season! :)

God eventually led my friend to a slightly different style of eating, which was definitely sad for me, but by this time I was feeling much more comfortable with the diet God had called me to. My hubby was very supportive, and the sad feelings passed before long. I felt happy in following God....which brings me to today.

Last month, following the advice of some long-time low-fat raw vegans, on my trip to visit family & friends in my home state, I gave myself the freedom to not be perfect with my eating. It was incredibly liberating to not feel like a "bad person" because I ate some non-optimal foods (that in the past, I may have considered reasonably healthy options). I was able to feel and see the HUGE difference in how I feel, look, serve, and function when I am eating low-fat raw vegan vs. a more traditional diet. I could not deny the huge increase in insulin I needed, the lethargic and depressed feelings in my body and mind, the poor digestion, bloating, gas, snoring, odors, and--the brain fog. Wow. I felt BAD, physically, that whole month. Before eating low-fat raw vegan, I never realized that I was feeling bad...now that I have felt incredible, light, energetic, alert, sensitive, focused, and happy--I know that I want to follow God in this because I like who I am when I am who He created me to be. I have so much more to give to the world when I am "my best self"--eating optimally for optimal living.

This year, God has really helped me to deal with my issues of pride and judgment. He has really humbled me and reminded me that transitioning is HARD--physically, emotionally, and spiritually. He has reminded me that the circumstances that led to my education about eating raw foods for healing...well, it was certainly atypical. Of my own accord, I would not have sought education about eating for health. My history was anything BUT healthy eating, and I fought against anyone who had anything critical to say about my food choices.

Just one more reminder that ANYTHING good in me is from God, not from me. Being a raw vegan Christian was not my idea; it was God's. But I am soooooooooo glad He had this idea. His ways and thoughts are higher than mine. It has been such a growing process and I am sure it will continue to be. I am no longer fighting God on this one. It is a true gift to honor God and offer Him my best as make each food choice for His glory, each day.

God, my thanks are beyond words. What an incredible privilege and journey, by Your plan, to watch this body heal and respond to foods that nourish, or go downhill from foods that destroy. Forgive me for my rebellion, self-pity, jealousy, short-sightedness, and stubbornness. Thank You for Your grace and patience with me, Your child. May this life glorify You and bring You pleasure.
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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Shylow » Oct 26, 2012 12:15 am

Religion has a lot to do with morality and personal opinions. I wonder "how would Jesus do this meat eating thing " or "What would Jesus do"? I wouldn't know a whole lot, but I can bet that I know a bit. For the rest I'll just have to be open-minded. :wink:

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby OGGY » Feb 4, 2013 11:40 pm

O.K Let me add some gasoline on the fire. You can't cook without fire, and politically correct conversation is always shallow. I, too am Christian and vegan. Can one start with mercy, love and compassion! Or is this some strange stuff we can do without. Mohandas Ghandi had no problem with Jesus, but he did with have a problem with the way a lot of "Christians" live and think nowadays.
We are seeing "Thou shall not kill replaced, with thou shall not murder. See, killing is when some man made authority ends your life. Murder is when you commit the same thing without, again, their blessing. Truth be known, Murder is killing, and killing is murder! God does not grant rights to State Authority to break any laws (Ten Commandments).
In my humble opinion, Old Testament (if you bother to read it) contains both the way of Jesus (as seen through Prophets) and man-made laws, ceremonies, self-righteousness and abominations. Some see this controversy as one of the strengths of the old testament. You, the reader should read both, accept the way of love and nonviolence and view the way of violence as something which should not exist.
These two distinct philosophies reflect two ends of all our troubles. Right there, a war in scriptures. Prophets (who were living ideals of the kingdom) and man made stuff such as Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc. Now, now! Someone might say: "Deuteronomy is good, it contains the Ten Commandments! First of all Deuteronomy stands for a repeating of the law(ten commandments).
In my opinion there is no reason to repeat, we got the message the first time. What it is in reality is what is known as half truth. An old tool of Satan, first mention something that you know , that the target audience knows as the truth. In other words, nothing new or revealing, just something that is already accepted fact. Then add your lies, feel free to add anything which breaks the Ten Commandments and wait for the fish to grab the bait.
My message is, read and see the two separate things and separate them for good.
These two philosophies exist formally within people living their lives accordingly. First is the true religion, true reconnection with God, second is what Jesus rejected as way of men, tradition of the elders. Expanded within Judaism, and everyone else who wants to do their own thing. Just like Frank (Sinatra) did, his way.

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby Judij » May 14, 2013 10:56 am

It is really nice topic. Religion has a direct impact on your diet pattern. I am vegan because i am hinduism. Bible, Quran and Geeta all holy books are suggesting for the vegetarian.

Why to not follow such books? This books are providing a pathway towards how to lead your life. But obvious every once perception is very from each individual to individuals. It says, who ever lost his path of life, he will get the path in holy books.



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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby csitech » Jun 25, 2013 8:01 am

I read the bible and it said: Take thy bow, I pray thee. Go out into the open country and take me some venison. Then I read: The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon the Earth. Upon every creature that scurrieth upon the ground, upon every fish that swims in the sea and upon every fowl that soareth upon the air. Into your hand are they committed.

This isn't Vegan and it is in absolute contravention to the Vegan way. If there is a God he places man above all other animals. And evidently he is or condones eating meat!!!

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Re: I am vegan because I am Christian.

Postby BrianF » Jan 14, 2014 4:02 pm

I will start off saying that I am a believer in the Word, and am feeling compelled to give up animal products. I agree that we were created to eat plantlife only, in the beginning, so that would be the ideal diet for us, according to HIS will. The animals were initially created for Adam as companions, not as food. Scientific studies are apparently supporting that we are designed to eat fruits and vegetables, and not really ideally designed to consume and process meat. Apparently, we've also been seeing that the rate of animal consumption is directly proportionate to the amount of sickness and disease within a society. I can concur that, due to the unhealthy lifestyle the animals that we get the meat from have, combined with the chemicals they're pumped with, make it even worse, but that doesn't mean it's the only reason. According to scientific studies AND the Bible, it's not ideal for us.

Also, I agree that they, too, are HIS creations and we should not be cruel to them, as we are. I agree with the policeman that the treatment of them is reprehensible. Just because HE gave us dominion over them, doesn't mean we are supposed to be treating them cruelly, not respecting their lives, killing them so carelessly for our selfish needs (when we don't have to). A king is given dominion over his land and the people of his land, does that mean it's ok for him to treat his people cruelly? To torture them, make their lives miserable, and even slaughter them or eat them? The argument that because we were given dominion over them making it ok to eat them is overly flawed... and that lack of compassion and mercy and justice is absolutely not what our savior would approve of.

In response to the gentlman who said that Noah was told to eat reptile eggs after the flood... Idk what I feel about that, but about your comment where if they ate any animals, they wouldn't be able to procreate and the animals would be extinct, I think something is overlooked for that. Noah loaded 1 pair (2 of every) unclean animal, and 7 pairs of every clean animal. Go back and reread it, and you'll see this is true. This would allow for plenty of meat for them to eat until the vegetation could regrow. I don't like to argue "for" eating meat, but that makes the most sense. Eating reptile eggs is still eating animal life, even if it's pre-birth (the same as abortion is still murder).

In response to the gentleman trying to jump on people about "not knowing what sin is"... you don't seem to believe in the bible anyway, so how can you really say what sin is to believers? A sin is an immoral act. This is by the English definition. Who defines what is moral and immoral is where you err. So yes, you could say it is a "sin" to eat meat, according to what YOU believe is right and wrong, and any person could argue that ANYTHING is a sin by that standard... They could say they think it's morally right or wrong based on their opinion. A believer defines sin as what's morally right or wrong according to what HE told us in the Bible... So your argument about people not knowing "what sin is", is flawed... They know, they just choose to answer to a higher power than themselves to determine what is morally right and/or wrong.

In conclusion, I can't say that the act of eating meat is a sin. I will say that the way the cruel way which we care for these creatures that we were given dominion over, is not in sync with HIS spirit... and in that way, it could definitely be a sin... and voluntarily supporting it could also be considered sinful, as it is NOT necessary for us to live... and since it's not necessary (nor ideal, since we're finding it's actually detrimental to our health), it's obvious that we're doing it for selfish, flesh-serving reasons (we like how it tastes, and don't care what they have to go through in order to satisfy that fleshly desire).

Believers should really reflect upon this and ask ourselves, and ask HIM: What is more important, doing what's right, or serving our fleshly desires?


 


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