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MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

I think a way to solve this whole dilemma is for vegheads to just give it a rest. Give it up. Act like normal humans beings.

Act how people are supposed to act. DO things the way everybody else does and you'll be fine.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

And that's how the Nazis got to power...

Vive la difference!

AndyBa · Lord of the posts Joined: 27 May 2001 Posts: 670

"DO things the way everybody else does and you'll be fine."
Hahaha!!!! Lol!!!!!!

I think meat-heads should stop slaughtering innocent animals then at least something in this world will be finer.
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The human body has no more need for cows' milk than it does for dogs' milk, horses' milk, or giraffes' milk. ~Michael Klaper, M.D., author of Vegan Nutrition: Pure & Simple

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

I'm done with this. Vegans and vegetarians can sort out their own psychotic issues, I should stop trying to convince you of how you're slowly destroying your health

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

What dilemma? What psychotic issues? We're all happy - you're the one with the psychotic issues!

Every time somebody asks you why you think we're 'starving ourselves' or destroying our health, you just tell us that scientific and historical evidence "doesn't matter," that we should stop questioning, and that we should be normal or act like everyone else.

You ignore the vast number of responses you've had from very intelligent individuals on this site, including those on nutrition, and insult us with your irrational and predjudiced opinion that we are somehow damaging ourselves just to be different. If I wanted to be different, I would just wear a yellow sweater or get my eyebrow pierced or something.

If you opened your eyes and saw any of the world beyond whatever narrow little society you live in, you would see that we ARE everyone else. Vegetarianism and veganism are VERY COMMON. Can I spell it out any more simply for you?

Why aren't the papers full of stories about vegans dropping dead from starvation? Why aren't our mental hospitals and refuges for anorexics stuffed full of vegans?

People are inherently different - they are not doing it to annoy you! Even if you converted all of us to eat meat, who would your next target be? Different religions? Gays and Lesbians? Single parents? People with jobs you don't approve of? People who don't look like models? Perhaps you could provide us with some guidelines on how we should live?

And intelligent people ask questions. It's usually encouraged: it makes for a healthy society and is a necessary prerequisite for a functioning democracy. I think it's very sad that you've been taught not to question.

Of course we promote vegetarianism, but nobody is coming round to your house and forcing you to eat lentils! When we accept and embrace each others' differences, the world becomes a better place.

I've asked before why you have such a problem with veganism. Has someone you know starved themselves? Is this why you're on this weird mission to bully us out of eating meat? Whatever major trauma you've had, I strongly advise you get some psychiatric help.

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

BigBecka, your examples of who I would target next are kind of weird. You categorize all of them together.

A single parent is normal. The kind of people you mentioned before single parents aren't.

And I do know where you can get guidelines on how to live. Read the Bible.

I haven't been taught not to question, but I don't question normal things. Saying it's bad to eat meat is like saying, "Why do people sleep? It's a waste of time. Let's be different and just not sleep!"

You're looking for the meaning behind eating meat. There is none. We're just supposed to eat it. It's JUST FOOD. Meat-eaters aren't trying to make a statement by eating meat. But vegans wouldn't know that, because vegans think EVERYTHING you do is making a statement. We don't sleep because we're trying to prove something. We don't breathe because we're trying to prove something.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

You're the misinformed one. Are you seriously saying a single parent is more abnormal than those backwards people you mentioned? And I wasn't talking about different religions, mind you.

I'm tired of you treating the Bible like just another book, and if you can belittle my religion I have every right to belittle your vegan beliefs.

Vegans do think everything you do is making a statement and you know it.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

You act like the other 67 percent of people are not religious at all, instead of just non-Christian.

And, like I said, it's just food. You eat it.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

Really? Granted, the Jews and (I think) Muslims abide by the old testament... But that's still not everybody by a very long way!

If it's all just food, why do you care what anyone else eats?

I doubt you eat all the food on offer to you! You like cockroaches? They're a very good source of protein! What about rat? Horse (a bit stringy for my liking, but I'm told the rump steaks are gorgeous)? Dolphin? Whale?

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

You keep using weird, abnormal examples and treating them like the normal examples. You did it first grouping weird people with normal people in your other post, and now grouping weird foods with normal foods. You treat them like they're all the same and they're not. It just so happens that some things are normal and others just aren't. That's just the way it is and that's all there is to it.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

Yep, you still haven't defined normal. Or explained why it bothers you!

What you consider normal is not what another person considers normal. The "weird" and "normal" things I group together seem very much the same to me.

All the foods I mentioned are considered normal in some countries.
- I wasn't joking about the horse - it's readily available in Italy (I've had horse meatballs and even horse-mince pizza in my meat-eating days), and a delicacy in France.
- Insects including cockroaches are eaten in many parts of South America and Africa, and I believe there's a sweet shop in California that sells insects.
- Rat used to be regularly eaten by the poor in cities (and, from my days packing burgers, I've heard they occasionally venture into mincing machines...). Muskrat (not quite the same, but still a rodent) is still eaten in Belgium, Holland, and the Detroit area.
- Whale is a staple food in arctic areas; Norway and Russia still condone whaling, and whale blubber is both a Japanese and an Inuit delicacy. Beluga caviar is a very expensive delicacy everywhere, and importation to the USA was only made illegal in September 2005. Lipsticks were made from whale blubber well into the 80's.

All the types of people I mentioned are considered normal in some communities, and not in others. In the UK gay marriages were legalised last year, and we even have gay clergy. In contrast, as a young woman, my mother (like most women at the time) was threatened with the workhouse if she ever dared become pregnant outside marriage. Times are just changing...

A friend of mine has just returned from the Gujerati region of India, where veganism is the norm. Cattle are considered holy, and there is no intensive farming. As a result, only the very rich can afford a little meat in their curry, or a splash of milk in their coffee.

Several people have already pointed out to you that societies' views on what is normal changes, and does not always reflect what is right. How can you say that something "just is" normal? Haven't you wondered why you have been told this? The concept of normality is a powerful weapon used to control and manipulate society, and I would advise being very wary of it.

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

There is no way to define normal. If something is normal you can tell, if it's not you can tell also. Unless you're just a weird person, like a vegan, and you think that weird is normal and normal is weird. Why it bothers me? Cause it ain't normal. Cause it's WEIRD.

You talk about people eating horses and bugs and stuff: I didn't think you were jokng. I know that people eat that stuff. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying it's not normal. I know, I know you're trying to show that it IS normal for the people who eat it. Simple explanation: If they think it's normal they're weird.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

Aah, I must be mixing with the wrong people

This is like being back at school!

To summarise: we must all quit being vegan because the normal people (who are not us) do not consider vegans to be normal. These people are bothered by things that are not normal, so we must do as they say. It is more important for a normal person to be happy, than it is for a "weird" person, like a vegan, to live in a way that makes them happy.

And I thought we lived in a free society!

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

Well, I don't think I'll be quitting anytime soon, then!

Report it back to the secret council of normal people! Set the normal police on me!

Do you want to tell my Gujerati friend that he and all his countryfolk are weird?

That could be entertaining!

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

Never heard of Gujerati or anything like that.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

Gujerat (or Gujarat) is a region of western India - its inhabitants are known as Gujerati.

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

Well, if they're vegan, then they are weird too.

WarChild · Passionated Vegan Talker Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 193

lunarflowermaiden · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 84

MomoPeach, you claim to be against veganism, and yet, you are posting on a vegan forum. That is rather funny, wouldn't you say so? For one to take time out of his or her life to search for vegan forums on the internet, register to those forums, and then post in those forums when he or she is clearly against veganism is quite odd. At first, I was not going to respond to this post because you are clearly a closed-minded person hiding behind Christianity to make yourself feel worth while and moral. There is obviously an inner conflict that is driving you to feel threatened by vegans. Could it be guilt? Could it be the fear of change? Only you can answer this, but of course, you will deny caring about vegans. This will not work, however, because you do care about vegans, and you care so much that you will take time out of your day to try to convert them to your lifestyle.

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

Nice one!

I think MomoPeach's definition of weird, and ignorance of other cultures, speak volumes.

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

No need to lose your tempr just because you are weird.

lunarflowermaiden · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 84

BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 414

I thought the point of this thread was that MomoPeach wanted us to quit being vegan? Calling me weird does not constitute a credible reason to quit. I've had a lifetime of hideous little girls telling me that I need to copy every little thing they do, or I'll be "weird."

Say, Mary-Jane, I'd better bleach my hair, wear Nike trainers, change what subjects I study and kiss some loser, otherwise people might think I'm weird

Grow up! The world's a wonderful diverse place!

lunarflowermaiden · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 84

Nutrients · Active Vegan Talker Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 26

Some people.. and I would say many are just afraid to be different.. to be a personality.. to stay his own believes.

Nutrients · Active Vegan Talker Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 26

Some people.. and I would say many are just afraid to be different.. to be a personality.. to stay his own believes.

That's what being vegetarian is about.. being proud of who you are and love the ones that aren't you clones.. or even your race.

MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

What the heck? "Trainers"...just say shoes.