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Dodic · Vegan Talk Frequenter Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 44

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bojster · Posted: May 28, 2003 12:39 am Post subject:

because honey is not vegan.

Alistar · Vegan Talk Member Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 108

I just read an entire article about this and about bees.
Very interesting.. I learn a lot of new things by being vegan!!! read

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Masha · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 1:13 am Post subject:

I'm vegetarian.
Why it is not good to eat honey?
We don't kill the bees...
??????

bojster · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 1:31 am Post subject:

Vegetariamism might be about not killing, but veganism is about not exploiting at all. To acquire honey, you have to exploit bees. While it might be OK (but still not vegan) to do it naturally (that is, by climbing up the tree and stealing the honey from the beehive), nobody really does it this way any more. You would be surprised how the bees are breeded nowadays.

DollyDimples · Posted: Mar 2, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject:

The simplest reason why honey isn't vegan is by definition.

The term vegan was coined by Donald Watson in 1944 and was defined as follows:

Veganism is a way of living which excludes all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, the animal kingdom, and includes a reverence for life. It applies to the practice of living on the products of the plant kingdom to the exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and its derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for all commodities derived wholly or in part from animals.

Here's an interesting article on honey ==> [url] http://www.friendsofanimals.org/actionline/fall-2004/is-honey-vegan.html[/url]

It's kinda gross that honey is, technically bee vomit (as it is regurgitated back and forth between bees until it is partially digested!)

Take care!

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Dodic · Vegan Talk Frequenter Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 44

DollyDimples · Posted: Mar 8, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject:

I guess you are right!

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Masha · Posted: Mar 10, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject:

What about fruits with worms, cherries for example. If you accedentaly eat one are you still vegan? :-?
And how can you really check these fruits for worms or even smaller insects?

bojster · Posted: Mar 10, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject:

As they say, it's the thought that matters. Nobody in so called 'civilized' countries is really vegan. Did you ever post a letter via traditional mail? There's a big chance you licked the remains of a nice, little piggy. The glue is sometimes made from their hoofs, to be more exact. I can multiply the examples of what you can find in your drinking water, processed food (white sugar is often refined using bone carbon) etc. As you can see, being vegan is not about factual state, but about the way we choose, the things we learn and our attitude in general.
The path is more important than the destination, because we spend our whole life walking along it.

[edit] I just noticed I didn't directly answer your question, so here goes: I usually check the fruit before eating it, but sometimes of course I eat some fruit worm within... but I never noticed it, so I couldn't have prevented it really. The worse case is when you boil some veggies or otherwise prepare some fruits and after that you notice some dead worm in it... but the damage is done and again, there's not much you could do about it, is there? Of course I don't eat the worm then.

dragonfly · Posted: Mar 10, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject:

DollyDimples · Posted: Mar 11, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject:

Well said dragonfly! hello1

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Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to congratulate those of you who are actively doing your part to put a halt on the meat/dairy industry. Us at Revolted Alliance focus on many different progressive topics on a daily basis. The issue of animal consumption is just as important as any of them. If you treat animals poorly, it is just a matter of time before you treat people that way!

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Thanks, alexisallen!
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MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

You vegans need to give it a rest. The bees don't want the darn honey! You're making extra space in their hives by taking it! You're more considerate of animals than you are of people! If you were starving you'd buy food from a hungry person.

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MomoPeach · Advanced Vegan Talker Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 80

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No one's stealing from the bees. What are the bees going to do with the hone, sit in it?

And even if they did have a use for the honey, they're insects! There are cookie crumbs bigger than them, it's not like you would be depriving them.....

cfRedtwin · Posted: Oct 28, 2006 5:52 am Post subject:

we once considered being a honey vegan, but now bee's milk makes us bugsy like other non-vegan meats, and we'll drink heavily.
Do the deer worry about the worms in shrooms? Vegan is actually impossible on earth. Be a Jain. Janus.
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Red Jester · Posted: May 16, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject:

Honey was one of the last non-vegan things I gave up.(Partly because I didn't know it wasn't considered Vegan.)

I thought it would be hard, but beleive it or not, once I found out, it was no longer a part of my life.

I had known some products I was consuming contained honey, but then those products just dissappeared.
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BigBecka · Animal defender Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 415

Hmm, I never ate much honey anyway. But when I turned vegan, people kept buying me toiletries with royal jelly in them

how strange...

There's an article on Bee welfare here: http://www.vegansociety.com/html/animals/exploitation/bees.php
The major welfare problem is to do with the egg-laying process: the queen bee is artifically inseminated with sperm from decapitated bees. She is usually killed after 2 years, when her egg-laying abilities decline. New queens are purchased by mail order, and have their wings clipped to force them to stay in the same location [taken from the Animal Free Shopper]