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| AndyBa |
| Just an interesting topic to warm up the forum. :) What can make us really belive in god? |
| preach |
| A physical sign would make me believe in god. Whether it be a personal visit or something so cataclysmic that it would have to be an act of higher power. People believe what they believe because of association, emotional attachment, or a fear of the unknown and being punished. |
| AndyBa |
| So if a guy would come to you and say: Hi, I'm god. Would it be a physical sign? :D |
| preach |
| No. Something supernatural on a large scale would suffice. Like moving a mountain or ending poverty. |
| AndyBa |
| What do you mean by supernatural.. something that you can't explain with your current knowledge? |
| preach |
| By supernatural I mean something magical like horses flying through the air with angelic warriors on their back, or a giant as tall as a skyscraper stepping out of the heavens, or even some of the magical events mentioned in the bible; A cure for aids and cancer would be nice and well received. I question the existence of a creator because there is so much turmoil around the world. It is my belief that a so called loving god would intercede. |
| Alistar |
| Everything around us the sun, the sky, rain and snow, grass, women, music and wine tells me that god exists and he loves us. Especially me! :) I don't need more to believe! :cheers: |
| preach |
| Peace Alistar. I don't believe it has ever been proven that god or the universal idea of god is responsible for creating everything. It is comforting to think that someone omnipotent has control over our lives, and the need for comfort stems from fear and ignorance of the unknown. Do you have any proof that god created the things that you mentioned? |
| AndyBa |
| Practically it's imossible to demonstrate that God exists. That's why we are talking about believing in God and not knowing that he exists. Personally for me it's enough to show that God can exist... the rest is a matter of choice. :) |
| Robin |
| I guess we'll all find out (or not) in the end. For now, I practice the religion of my own called KINDNESS. It's easy, and you don't have to give 10 percent of your earnings! |
| WarChild |
Not so easy if one lives among assholes :) You can't be kind with an asshole because he will abuse of that. |
| curlytopper |
| For me I don't have to see any physical signs just to believe in God. Ever since I was a child people keep telling me that the early christians believed in Jesus Christ because he performed miracles. If that's the case then their faith is only based upon material and worldly matters. I don't even know why I believe in God, which for me is even something that profoundly affects my faith. I know there is a God because I feel His presence everywhere, I see it in the beauty and awesome power of nature, in the inherent goodness and flaws of humanity. All these remains as a mystery but only through faith that we can answer that. ------------------------------------------------------------- rochester lasik eye texas car accident refinancing equity loans |
| AndyBa |
Actually I started this topic to see how people think. |
| MomoPeach |
| You shouldn't go acting like anyone's religion is not true or causing them to doubt it. That's considered a sin in religion, and you're causing it. Don't tell people to give you proof. The proof they can offer you is what their religious book says. I will now state my own personal beliefs... And, I, being a believer in Christianity, think that if you go around doubting God, he will have to prove to you himself that he is real, by causing things to happen to you, until you realize where it's all coming from. And to the person who said, "I have my own religion, KINDNESS, blah blah blah" There is a scripture in the Bible saying that God loves a cheerful giver. So don't make Christians think that people are cheating them out of their money. Even if money doesn't go to the church, people still will be rewarded for being generous. I don't know why you started this topic, other than to put down people's religion and cause controversy. You just wanted to start an argument and you know it. |
| MomoPeach |
| So you could have people who don't "think" the same argue over it! I hate it when people come on forums just to start fights up |
| AndyBa |
| You are right this is a fight in a way. But a lot of people may learn from it. Knowing others people point of view, that's what will make people more tolerant in the real world and may stop some real fights. |
| MomoPeach |
| People will learn from it........ People will learn that there are just some people out there who think they are the smartest people in the world and can declare if there is a God or not because scientific evidence or other stupid worthless junk. |
| mredthomas |
| the vegan idea? |
| curlytopper |
I believe you are the one who is trying to instigate an argument here. Why don't you just comment on the issue being discussed and don't mind what will happen to the other people who will also post their thoughts here. ________________________ injury lawyer personal incorporate business auto accident lawyer |
| WarChild |
I am a vegetarian and NOT religious. |
| MomoPeach |
| You're from Maine.....maybe the climate's cold and it froze your brain. How can be a vegetarian and NOT religious? What point is there in caring about anyone's life, including animals, if you're not religious? I don't see how you can care about animals and killing in the least without being religious. |
| WarChild |
Actually, most human beings deserve to be hated even more than animals IMHO :) |
| MomoPeach |
| Look, you just wasted 5 seconds of my life reading that and clicking reply. I'm not asking if it's POSSIBLE to be a vegetarian and not religious. If you had an ounce of common sense you'd realize that. I'm asking what's the point of being vegetarian if your not even religious. What, do you hate everything in the world but animals? |
| WarChild |
This is not so important for me, I trust myself more that I trust other people :) |
| MomoPeach |
| You are the personification of everyone's definition of the kind of VegHead everyone dislikes. A loser who respects animals more than they respect any human being, even themselves. If plants were animals, you'd readily starve yourself for the sake of the animals. You shouldn't hate anyone, but I guess, being a non-religious person, you're completeley ignorant of that. |
| MomoPeach |
| Fine. Live your already ruined life, since you converted to Loserism |
| AndyBa |
| Please stick to the topic. It's Science vs Religion. MomoPeach, first warning! |
| WarChild |
I have arguments for this and we can talk about it if you agree to stop picking on people :) |
| MomoPeach |
| First of all, your little VegFriend went off topic as well, saying that humans deserve to be hated more than animals. Second of all:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. |
| AndyBa |
Yep, the warning was for a personal attack of a forum member. 3 warnings sums up to a permanent ban. :D And I know that you don't care too much for this forum. :wink: [color=red]Read the Forum Rules please[/color] WarChild, I would personally like to see some of your arguments. I think I can disagree with you about this. |
| MomoPeach |
| I'm so honored! I'm the only with a "personal attack on a member" on my record, although even the almighty AndyBa has a personal attack on me, I do recall him saying I was "ignorant and ill-bred" in another post. |
| BigBecka |
| Oh yeah [D'oh!] Anyway, weren't we talking about what would make us believe in God? If he turned up and said "Yeah, the Jews are right, Jesus was a decoy messiah, and by the way, I planted the dinosaurs too! Now will all you guys stop fighting and kiss and make up?" Then he could buzz me round the world in his starship, and we'ld watch all the righteous smiting from a safe distance over a pint :alien: That would impress me :D Doesn't anyone out there think it's beautiful that the world happened by chance? :bom: |
| MomoPeach |
| Wow....there are actually non-religious people in the world. That must stink for you! As I can see I'm unsuccesful in convincing you of how wrong that is. I've tried. Have a Merry.....winter, I guess. |
| BigBecka |
| :( I'm not religious and was finding this thread quite interesting until... I don't know what the point in being non-religious and a vegetarian is. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be bought up religious - I'm from a family that has been atheist for several generations, were from a mix of religions and denominations prior to that, and have never been baptized / confirmed / whatever religious people do to their kids. Being non-religious does not mean you have "converted to loserism." There are plenty of non-religious humanists and the like in the world: people who care about the furture of society and the planet without a deity coming into the equation. |
| WarChild |
But of course. Loserism is a religion so if you're non-religious you're not a loser :) |
| AndyBa |
| Well.... :) If you were reading more carefully what i wrote.. you would notice that I was talking about your behavior on the forum and not about you. I don't know you... And what I wrote was related to what you wrote here and in other topics. Cheers! |
| BigBecka |
You are in a gilded cage :D It's real nice out here! C'mon, stick your head out and have a peek! You can always go back later if you decide to!
Thank you - I most certainly shall! Two weeks of partying :drunken: , and it don't stop 'til I watch the sun come up on New Year's Day! Nothing quite like a cold winter morning in the country... |
| Sergio |
We actually celebrate New Year ;) |